Comments on: Horex: Why the New Premium German Brand Matters (Bike Reports) (News) http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/ Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews Sat, 18 May 2013 14:54:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Tom Barber http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-987 Tom Barber Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:02:53 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-987 This is not a V-configuration at all. It uses a VW-type in-line six with alternate cylinders pushed just far enough to one side or the other to allow the length to be shortened, at the expense of the ideal balance that is characteristic of in-line six-cylinder engines. Contrary to popular belief, the cylinder configuration has no direct effect on the torque curve or the power curve, or the overall character of the engine. The cylinder configuration influences only the packaging and the balance characteristics, both of which are much more important in a motorcycle application than in a car application. This engine should be nearly as smooth as a true in-line six, although not quite so, and will be shorter than a true in-line six would be. Personally, I don't get it, because Honda demonstrated conclusively with the CBR1100XX that an in-line four-cylinder engine can be practically as smooth as an electric motor. Engine torque at a given engine speed is linearly related to the quantity of air and fuel that the engine takes in per each individual intake stroke (or per individual cycle or rotation) at that engine speed. To influence engine torque at some given engine speed, it is absolutely necessary to influence that quantity of air and fuel. To the extent that the cylinder configuration has any influence at all on this quantity of air and fuel, it is not direct and at best is a secondary effect of the bore/stroke ratio used and of the routing of the intake and exhaust plumbing. There is no true, intrinsic correlation between the cylinder configuration and the torque characteristics of the engine. This is not a V-configuration at all. It uses a VW-type in-line six with alternate cylinders pushed just far enough to one side or the other to allow the length to be shortened, at the expense of the ideal balance that is characteristic of in-line six-cylinder engines. Contrary to popular belief, the cylinder configuration has no direct effect on the torque curve or the power curve, or the overall character of the engine. The cylinder configuration influences only the packaging and the balance characteristics, both of which are much more important in a motorcycle application than in a car application. This engine should be nearly as smooth as a true in-line six, although not quite so, and will be shorter than a true in-line six would be. Personally, I don’t get it, because Honda demonstrated conclusively with the CBR1100XX that an in-line four-cylinder engine can be practically as smooth as an electric motor.

Engine torque at a given engine speed is linearly related to the quantity of air and fuel that the engine takes in per each individual intake stroke (or per individual cycle or rotation) at that engine speed. To influence engine torque at some given engine speed, it is absolutely necessary to influence that quantity of air and fuel. To the extent that the cylinder configuration has any influence at all on this quantity of air and fuel, it is not direct and at best is a secondary effect of the bore/stroke ratio used and of the routing of the intake and exhaust plumbing. There is no true, intrinsic correlation between the cylinder configuration and the torque characteristics of the engine.

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]]> By: Norm G. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-956 Norm G. Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:06:43 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-956 guys, 2 words... Lancia Fulvia. narrow angle V4 produced from 1963-1976 in 6 different displacements ranging from 1.1L-1.6L fueled by twin Weber carbs. for a long time i too thought VW pioneered this architechture, but not so much. i was waiting for when this design would show up in motorcycles. thought it would show up in motogp first (or at least a chassis of more sporting intent). :( however, tom is right, no point in going through the expense of introducing this configuration to motorcycles if your not going to do a better job of highlighting this engine to the buying public. engine variety/character is one of the things that seperates us from the cagers. who knows, its early days, maybe they've only begun to fight...? guys, 2 words… Lancia Fulvia. narrow angle V4 produced from 1963-1976 in 6 different displacements ranging from 1.1L-1.6L fueled by twin Weber carbs. for a long time i too thought VW pioneered this architechture, but not so much. i was waiting for when this design would show up in motorcycles. thought it would show up in motogp first (or at least a chassis of more sporting intent). :( however, tom is right, no point in going through the expense of introducing this configuration to motorcycles if your not going to do a better job of highlighting this engine to the buying public. engine variety/character is one of the things that seperates us from the cagers. who knows, its early days, maybe they’ve only begun to fight…?

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]]> By: kirk66 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-953 kirk66 Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:49:12 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-953 First guess. Dead on. First guess. Dead on.

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]]> By: Ron http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-951 Ron Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:25:01 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-951 Sorry, my mistake. More like an in-line / vee hybrid . Unique layout. See photo: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/horexvr6highres/horex-vr6-high-res-2.php Sorry, my mistake. More like an in-line / vee hybrid . Unique layout. See photo:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/horexvr6highres/horex-vr6-high-res-2.php

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]]> By: Ron http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-950 Ron Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:21:59 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-950 It's an in-line 6, not a v6. See photo: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/horexvr6highres/horex-vr6-high-res-2.php It’s an in-line 6, not a v6. See photo:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/horexvr6highres/horex-vr6-high-res-2.php

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]]> By: Tom http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-942 Tom Sun, 20 Jun 2010 01:16:51 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-942 Nice bike. Would have been nice to see that narrow V featured more prominently in the castings of the cylinder heads. I hear it's a narrow-V, but I want to SEE it. And brag about it. Market and accentuate that coolness! Nice bike. Would have been nice to see that narrow V featured more prominently in the castings of the cylinder heads. I hear it’s a narrow-V, but I want to SEE it. And brag about it. Market and accentuate that coolness!

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]]> By: Brian http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-928 Brian Sat, 19 Jun 2010 04:01:36 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-928 Nah, not buying it. Look at the head-on view of the bike. Those pipes sweep in right where a normal swingarm would go. No way will that clear. There is going to have to be a re-design to the exhaust to make it work. Nah, not buying it. Look at the head-on view of the bike. Those pipes sweep in right where a normal swingarm would go. No way will that clear. There is going to have to be a re-design to the exhaust to make it work.

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]]> By: cyclezen http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-922 cyclezen Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:43:23 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-922 JABBAM - just another boring big ass motorcycle - whether it will any paying customers is the Big Q. Coming to market in fall of 2011? wake me up when something happens... new format - indifferent... I had no issues with the oldestyle, new style may be more appetizing to advertisers. Content drives this 'moto', and I gotta say, content isn't quite as sharp as it used to be... JABBAM – just another boring big ass motorcycle – whether it will any paying customers is the Big Q. Coming to market in fall of 2011? wake me up when something happens…

new format – indifferent… I had no issues with the oldestyle, new style may be more appetizing to advertisers. Content drives this ‘moto’, and I gotta say, content isn’t quite as sharp as it used to be…

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]]> By: rapier http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-920 rapier Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:51:18 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-920 I am all for the return of forced induction for motorcycles but not in a 1200. I'm thinking 600 to 750cc range 110hp give or take. Not suicide or curb side machines but lighter smaller practical machines with the quickness the torque gives and better mileage while cruising. Supercharging has advantages but noise, packaging, reliability (of the unit) , efficiency and cost suggest turbo is the way to go. Not to detract from this exercise. It's great to see people invest real money in real things, not fancy fictitious financial instruments. (Harley is scheduled to produce and entirely new motor in 2169.) I am all for the return of forced induction for motorcycles but not in a 1200. I’m thinking 600 to 750cc range 110hp give or take. Not suicide or curb side machines but lighter smaller practical machines with the quickness the torque gives and better mileage while cruising. Supercharging has advantages but noise, packaging, reliability (of the unit) , efficiency and cost suggest turbo is the way to go. Not to detract from this exercise. It’s great to see people invest real money in real things, not fancy fictitious financial instruments. (Harley is scheduled to produce and entirely new motor in 2169.)

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]]> By: JS http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/06/horex-why-the-new-premium-german-brand-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-918 JS Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:01:11 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=9086#comment-918 Sorry...six into three, I guess. Sorry…six into three, I guess.

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