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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In crashes that do involve another motor vehicle, the reporting officers more often associate contributing factors with the other driver than with the motorcyclist.&quot;

For those of us who already understand that &#039;Shiny Side UP&#039; is the first rule, this is still a relevant topic of conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In crashes that do involve another motor vehicle, the reporting officers more often associate contributing factors with the other driver than with the motorcyclist.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those of us who already understand that &#8216;Shiny Side UP&#8217; is the first rule, this is still a relevant topic of conversation.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two rules to guard yourself against 75% of motorcycle mishaps.

First, never ride after consuming alcohol. In 2008, of those dead Minnesota motorcyclists who were tested for blood-alcohol content after dying in a crash, 47% tested positive for alcohol. No, it wasn&#039;t &quot;just one beer,&quot; 42% tested over 0.08.

Second, never ride above your skills. In 2008, only 40% of the injuries and 45% of the deaths were in collisions with other vehicles. Over half of the wrecks were single vehicle incidents; running off the road, hitting some non-moving object, striking a deer, etc. Please, do not try to tell me that they were all driven into the ditch by cars.

Obviously there is some overlap between the two statistics, but I figure that about three quarters of all our &quot;accidents&quot; were not accidental, we did it to ourselves.

One last statistic. In 2008, 38 of the total 72 Minnesota motorcyclist fatalities occurred in a location where the city or township had a population of less than 1,000. That is, over half of the deaths happened in an area where it is pretty unlikely that other traffic was a contributing factor.

I&#039;ll say it again, we are killing ourselves.

Now you can resume discussion about eye contact.


Ref.: http://www.dps.state.mn.us/ots/crashdata/2008CFacts/CF08-4-Motorcycle.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two rules to guard yourself against 75% of motorcycle mishaps.</p>
<p>First, never ride after consuming alcohol. In 2008, of those dead Minnesota motorcyclists who were tested for blood-alcohol content after dying in a crash, 47% tested positive for alcohol. No, it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;just one beer,&#8221; 42% tested over 0.08.</p>
<p>Second, never ride above your skills. In 2008, only 40% of the injuries and 45% of the deaths were in collisions with other vehicles. Over half of the wrecks were single vehicle incidents; running off the road, hitting some non-moving object, striking a deer, etc. Please, do not try to tell me that they were all driven into the ditch by cars.</p>
<p>Obviously there is some overlap between the two statistics, but I figure that about three quarters of all our &#8220;accidents&#8221; were not accidental, we did it to ourselves.</p>
<p>One last statistic. In 2008, 38 of the total 72 Minnesota motorcyclist fatalities occurred in a location where the city or township had a population of less than 1,000. That is, over half of the deaths happened in an area where it is pretty unlikely that other traffic was a contributing factor.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it again, we are killing ourselves.</p>
<p>Now you can resume discussion about eye contact.</p>
<p>Ref.: <a href="http://www.dps.state.mn.us/ots/crashdata/2008CFacts/CF08-4-Motorcycle.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dps.state.mn.us/ots/crashdata/2008CFacts/CF08-4-Motorcycle.pdf</a>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High beams do help.  Ås long as they are set right, they won&#039;t piss off drivers, but they well be noticeably  brighter than the run of the mill headlight.  Aim it right, and it might help save your skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High beams do help.  Ås long as they are set right, they won&#8217;t piss off drivers, but they well be noticeably  brighter than the run of the mill headlight.  Aim it right, and it might help save your skin.
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best addition to my safety equipment has been a modulating headlight. Some cage drivers are annoyed when it&#039;s flashing in their rearview mirror (don&#039;t care), some flash their headlights at me when coming in the opposite direction (means they saw it), some pull over and get out of my way (not a bad thing either). Most importantly, they will stop dead in their tracks from the right or left side of the road when they see the flashing light, giving them the split second OPPORTUNITY to recognize it&#039;s a motorcycle. I highly recommend them. The entertainment of watching people&#039;s reaction to it is a fringe benefit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best addition to my safety equipment has been a modulating headlight. Some cage drivers are annoyed when it&#8217;s flashing in their rearview mirror (don&#8217;t care), some flash their headlights at me when coming in the opposite direction (means they saw it), some pull over and get out of my way (not a bad thing either). Most importantly, they will stop dead in their tracks from the right or left side of the road when they see the flashing light, giving them the split second OPPORTUNITY to recognize it&#8217;s a motorcycle. I highly recommend them. The entertainment of watching people&#8217;s reaction to it is a fringe benefit!
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why are we looking drivers in the eye to begin with?  if you&#039;re staring at somebody&#039;s face, you&#039;re ignoring too many other useful cues as to where the car is actually going, e.g. the front wheel, the hands on the steering wheel, etc.

if you&#039;re going slow enough that you have time for eyegazing, you should be fine no matter what they do.  unless you&#039;re on a 600 pound bike with a single-piston front brake system (not to name any names)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are we looking drivers in the eye to begin with?  if you&#8217;re staring at somebody&#8217;s face, you&#8217;re ignoring too many other useful cues as to where the car is actually going, e.g. the front wheel, the hands on the steering wheel, etc.</p>
<p>if you&#8217;re going slow enough that you have time for eyegazing, you should be fine no matter what they do.  unless you&#8217;re on a 600 pound bike with a single-piston front brake system (not to name any names)
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		<title>By: JonL (Australia)</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonL (Australia)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find riding assertively in traffic makes a difference (not aggressively - big difference). Drivers seem to notice you a little quicker.  Headlight on low beam only! Every biker that I see riding high beam, I feel like pulling out in front of (when I&#039;m in the Van)- that is, if I can actually see where I&#039;m going - I&#039;ve been temporarily flash blinded several times by arrogant twats running enough candlepower to melt your eyeballs whilst claiming to be riding safe! - apart from the fact it is actually illegal in most countries!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find riding assertively in traffic makes a difference (not aggressively &#8211; big difference). Drivers seem to notice you a little quicker.  Headlight on low beam only! Every biker that I see riding high beam, I feel like pulling out in front of (when I&#8217;m in the Van)- that is, if I can actually see where I&#8217;m going &#8211; I&#8217;ve been temporarily flash blinded several times by arrogant twats running enough candlepower to melt your eyeballs whilst claiming to be riding safe! &#8211; apart from the fact it is actually illegal in most countries!
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		<title>By: Prince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sorry ninja but thats a bit silly. Eye contact DOES mean something and frankly if one were to ride like one was &quot;invisible&quot; literally, one would never ride. A CERTAIN amount of faith IS necessary to ride. Yes I take precautions like not riding in someone&#039;s blind spot but i will of course be in many driver&#039;s blind spot momentarily. I have faith that the guy behind me at a red light won&#039;t plow into me, tho I do watch the mirror and keep hands on bars to take evasive action in case something happens. Once the guy stops tho im 99% safe because its unlikely tho possible that he might brush the accelerator pedal and plow into me but thats the faith I have. If I didnt have it I wouldn&#039;t ride, and some take this &quot;invisible&quot; thing too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry ninja but thats a bit silly. Eye contact DOES mean something and frankly if one were to ride like one was &#8220;invisible&#8221; literally, one would never ride. A CERTAIN amount of faith IS necessary to ride. Yes I take precautions like not riding in someone&#8217;s blind spot but i will of course be in many driver&#8217;s blind spot momentarily. I have faith that the guy behind me at a red light won&#8217;t plow into me, tho I do watch the mirror and keep hands on bars to take evasive action in case something happens. Once the guy stops tho im 99% safe because its unlikely tho possible that he might brush the accelerator pedal and plow into me but thats the faith I have. If I didnt have it I wouldn&#8217;t ride, and some take this &#8220;invisible&#8221; thing too far.
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		<title>By: Prince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loud pipes don&#039;t help and the &quot;loud pipe saves lives&quot; argument is ridiculous when its perpetuated by Harley types in BLACK leather!!! I&#039;ll trust their sincerity when I see them wearing Aerostich hi-viz gear w/ their Vanson and Hines pipes! 

However, NOISE DOES HELP! But I think ANY motorcycle is loud enough that its reasonable and that loud pipes aren&#039;t necessary. I live in Ireland and filtering is legal here, and sometimes when I&#039;m slowly passing a car in their blind spot and I&#039;m not sure they know I&#039;m there I give a blip on the throttle to alert them to my presence. 
My bike, a Ducati Multistrada does have a full Termi exhaust system (put on by prev owner) and while I do love the sound I hate the attention it gets me when I&#039;m trying to make progress on the road and frankly it probably annoys other people more than my already loud bike (dry clutch) needs to. 

I used to wear hi-viz gear but I started mentally putting the burden on other drivers to see me and I&#039;d ride somewhat unsafely as a result. Now I don&#039;t wear that stupid flapping vest but I assume that all drivers will turn in front of me, will turn into my lane from a parking space, and that i&#039;m invisible and I think im a bit safer as a result. 

In Europe at least, EVERYONE even pedestrians wear HV gear so I think sometimes drivers get a case of &quot;Hi viz blindness&quot;. 

there are other tricks too like weaving in your lane because bikes are so narrow ppl don&#039;t see them so &quot;widening&quot; one&#039;s lane presence can help. 

lastly, I speed chronically and frankly I just don&#039;t care about limits anymore, but if I&#039;m doing 60mph in town, i&#039;ll generally slow to 40 as I pass a green light if a car is in the opposing lane waiting to turn, and cover the brake and such. 

Its sad that none of this stuff was taught to me in my bike course in Canada. When I go back there, I definitely plan to become a motorcycle instructor as for whatevr reason, most instructors dont bother to pass down their knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loud pipes don&#8217;t help and the &#8220;loud pipe saves lives&#8221; argument is ridiculous when its perpetuated by Harley types in BLACK leather!!! I&#8217;ll trust their sincerity when I see them wearing Aerostich hi-viz gear w/ their Vanson and Hines pipes! </p>
<p>However, NOISE DOES HELP! But I think ANY motorcycle is loud enough that its reasonable and that loud pipes aren&#8217;t necessary. I live in Ireland and filtering is legal here, and sometimes when I&#8217;m slowly passing a car in their blind spot and I&#8217;m not sure they know I&#8217;m there I give a blip on the throttle to alert them to my presence.<br />
My bike, a Ducati Multistrada does have a full Termi exhaust system (put on by prev owner) and while I do love the sound I hate the attention it gets me when I&#8217;m trying to make progress on the road and frankly it probably annoys other people more than my already loud bike (dry clutch) needs to. </p>
<p>I used to wear hi-viz gear but I started mentally putting the burden on other drivers to see me and I&#8217;d ride somewhat unsafely as a result. Now I don&#8217;t wear that stupid flapping vest but I assume that all drivers will turn in front of me, will turn into my lane from a parking space, and that i&#8217;m invisible and I think im a bit safer as a result. </p>
<p>In Europe at least, EVERYONE even pedestrians wear HV gear so I think sometimes drivers get a case of &#8220;Hi viz blindness&#8221;. </p>
<p>there are other tricks too like weaving in your lane because bikes are so narrow ppl don&#8217;t see them so &#8220;widening&#8221; one&#8217;s lane presence can help. </p>
<p>lastly, I speed chronically and frankly I just don&#8217;t care about limits anymore, but if I&#8217;m doing 60mph in town, i&#8217;ll generally slow to 40 as I pass a green light if a car is in the opposing lane waiting to turn, and cover the brake and such. </p>
<p>Its sad that none of this stuff was taught to me in my bike course in Canada. When I go back there, I definitely plan to become a motorcycle instructor as for whatevr reason, most instructors dont bother to pass down their knowledge.
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scan
Identify
Predict
Decide
Execute

The acronym is SIPDE and represents a good mental discipline to follow whilst riding in the real world.  I find that actively thinking this way makes it easier to predict more than two seconds in advance of what is going to happen to me.  I learned this in my MSF training in 1988.  Old stuff like that is no longer in anyone&#039;s curriculum, probably because it&#039;s old stuff.  Too bad.

One other thought:  You&#039;ll do better in the bike if you&#039;re emotionally centered and physically alert.  I suppose it would be politically incorrect to say any more about that one.</description>
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<p>The acronym is SIPDE and represents a good mental discipline to follow whilst riding in the real world.  I find that actively thinking this way makes it easier to predict more than two seconds in advance of what is going to happen to me.  I learned this in my MSF training in 1988.  Old stuff like that is no longer in anyone&#8217;s curriculum, probably because it&#8217;s old stuff.  Too bad.</p>
<p>One other thought:  You&#8217;ll do better in the bike if you&#8217;re emotionally centered and physically alert.  I suppose it would be politically incorrect to say any more about that one.
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		<title>By: motorcycle5</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone has mentioned the most obvious things already. As long as someone follows those and consciously decides to always keep learning (on the bike), then motorcycles are worth the trade off in vulnerability. Personally I find the advances in riding you get from the track are crucial. Technique-wise, track days make me feel like I always have a loaded .45 up my sleeve in traffic. Car drivers can still be idiots, but I wont let them &#039;get&#039; me. No way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone has mentioned the most obvious things already. As long as someone follows those and consciously decides to always keep learning (on the bike), then motorcycles are worth the trade off in vulnerability. Personally I find the advances in riding you get from the track are crucial. Technique-wise, track days make me feel like I always have a loaded .45 up my sleeve in traffic. Car drivers can still be idiots, but I wont let them &#8216;get&#8217; me. No way.
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