Comments on: MD Product Review: Alpinestars Waterproof T-Gasoline Jacket and Roam Boots (News) (Product Reviews) http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/ Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews Thu, 23 May 2013 15:44:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Craig Moss http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-9019 Craig Moss Wed, 01 Dec 2010 06:54:20 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-9019 You are right, Waterproof is waterproof but is only one property of a good touring jacket. This jacket states it is waterproof and on this basis I am sure it is. You seem to be dismissing it being waterproof because it wasn't tested for hours in the rain. It seems that the tester used this jacket in an environment that it was used for, to suggest all product testers do elaborate tests like the one you saw in RIDE magazine are very time consuming and are usually only done in large, once a year comparative tests. Expecting the same level of critique for every product test is unrealistic. However, I have had enough good experience with Alpinestars gear to continue to buy them, their R&D budget is probably unmatched in the industry and that to me says something. You are right, Waterproof is waterproof but is only one property of a good touring jacket. This jacket states it is waterproof and on this basis I am sure it is. You seem to be dismissing it being waterproof because it wasn’t tested for hours in the rain.

It seems that the tester used this jacket in an environment that it was used for, to suggest all product testers do elaborate tests like the one you saw in RIDE magazine are very time consuming and are usually only done in large, once a year comparative tests. Expecting the same level of critique for every product test is unrealistic.

However, I have had enough good experience with Alpinestars gear to continue to buy them, their R&D budget is probably unmatched in the industry and that to me says something.

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]]> By: ilikefood http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8997 ilikefood Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:27:47 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8997 Well, if the jacket can't handle multi-hour rides in the rain, then it isn't really waterproof, is it? They should call it "mildly water-resistant" at most. What bugs me about reviews of winter and rain jackets is that it's impossible to tell how truly waterproof (or warm) they are because the testers don't test them properly. Not everyone rides in LA, where 50F and occasional showers are considered inclement weather. I think the only true test of winter jackets and suits I've ever seen was in RIDE magazine a few years ago, where they actually sprayed riding suits with a water hose for extended periods of time and also put people wearing them into a walk-in freezer. Bottom line - you can't test a jacket that claims to be waterproof without riding in the rain for a few hours, just as you can't test a superbike without riding it on the racetrack. Well, if the jacket can’t handle multi-hour rides in the rain, then it isn’t really waterproof, is it? They should call it “mildly water-resistant” at most.

What bugs me about reviews of winter and rain jackets is that it’s impossible to tell how truly waterproof (or warm) they are because the testers don’t test them properly. Not everyone rides in LA, where 50F and occasional showers are considered inclement weather. I think the only true test of winter jackets and suits I’ve ever seen was in RIDE magazine a few years ago, where they actually sprayed riding suits with a water hose for extended periods of time and also put people wearing them into a walk-in freezer.

Bottom line – you can’t test a jacket that claims to be waterproof without riding in the rain for a few hours, just as you can’t test a superbike without riding it on the racetrack.

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]]> By: xplaner http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8960 xplaner Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:38:35 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8960 I have a pair of Drystar gloves and they're only ok. When i needed them most, they failed. I was in Colorado and got caught in a mountain shower that turned to snow, it was about 35 degrees. They stayed dry for about 30 minutes, then it got wet inside the gloves and my hands got cold. Disappointing since they're not cheap. I have a pair of Drystar gloves and they’re only ok. When i needed them most, they failed. I was in Colorado and got caught in a mountain shower that turned to snow, it was about 35 degrees. They stayed dry for about 30 minutes, then it got wet inside the gloves and my hands got cold. Disappointing since they’re not cheap.

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]]> By: hoyt http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8958 hoyt Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:18:32 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8958 why do many apparel companies go overboard with the size & frequency of their logo on the product? Instant no-sale for me. why do many apparel companies go overboard with the size & frequency of their logo on the product? Instant no-sale for me.

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]]> By: Craig Moss http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8951 Craig Moss Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:45:04 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8951 @ilikefood dude I think this jacket is designed as a street riding jacket that is waterproof and it sounds like in this function it works great. It will keep you warm and dry in 90% of conditions and just looking at the design of it, I am sure it isn't made to ride up the I-5 for hours during the winter rain. If you're after a true all-weather touring jacket then Alpinestars have this covered too. A friend of mine has a Frontier Gore-Tex jacket that he swears by and I think this is just one of the options they have. @ilikefood dude I think this jacket is designed as a street riding jacket that is waterproof and it sounds like in this function it works great. It will keep you warm and dry in 90% of conditions and just looking at the design of it, I am sure it isn’t made to ride up the I-5 for hours during the winter rain.

If you’re after a true all-weather touring jacket then Alpinestars have this covered too. A friend of mine has a Frontier Gore-Tex jacket that he swears by and I think this is just one of the options they have.

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]]> By: ilikefood http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8895 ilikefood Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:27:48 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8895 Umm... testing the waterproofness of a jacket in LA showers is pretty useless. Same with testing how warm the jacket is when the temperature is in the 50s. Pretty much any jacket will keep you warm and dry on a brief ride through a light shower in 50F. How about riding for 2-3 hours in pouring rain, or in 30F weather? How would this jacket perform then? Umm… testing the waterproofness of a jacket in LA showers is pretty useless. Same with testing how warm the jacket is when the temperature is in the 50s. Pretty much any jacket will keep you warm and dry on a brief ride through a light shower in 50F. How about riding for 2-3 hours in pouring rain, or in 30F weather? How would this jacket perform then?

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]]> By: Jonathan Bole http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8880 Jonathan Bole Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:53:35 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8880 Scorpio, There is no zipper under the Velcro straps. The Drystar lining is fixed, and there is no removable bootie either. There is no break in the waterproof membrane underneath the straps, but it is loose enough so that when the straps are opened, the boots can be put on easily-like a webbing beneath the straps. Scorpio,
There is no zipper under the Velcro straps. The Drystar lining is fixed, and there is no removable bootie either. There is no break in the waterproof membrane underneath the straps, but it is loose enough so that when the straps are opened, the boots can be put on easily-like a webbing beneath the straps.

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]]> By: Mickey http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8832 Mickey Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:53:11 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8832 I own 2 pairs of the Alpinestar gloves with Drystar. They are horrible rain gloves. Not only do they NOT keep your hands dry, once your hands get damp they are impossible to get back on. I'd have a hard time recommending anything with Drystar in it. I own 2 pairs of the Alpinestar gloves with Drystar. They are horrible rain gloves. Not only do they NOT keep your hands dry, once your hands get damp they are impossible to get back on. I’d have a hard time recommending anything with Drystar in it.

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]]> By: scorpio http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8712 scorpio Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:18:40 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8712 I've owned the Space and Effex goretex models, and A-Stars boots remain my favorites. Looks like these might be my next pair. The website is less than informative though; is there a zipper under the velcro straps or does the shaft material fold over, and is the drystar lining fixed or is it a removable bootie? I would appreciate a response from the reviewer. Thanks! I’ve owned the Space and Effex goretex models, and A-Stars boots remain my favorites. Looks like these might be my next pair. The website is less than informative though; is there a zipper under the velcro straps or does the shaft material fold over, and is the drystar lining fixed or is it a removable bootie? I would appreciate a response from the reviewer. Thanks!

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]]> By: MGNorge http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/md-product-review-alpinestars-waterproof-t-gasoline-jacket-and-roam-boots/comment-page-1/#comment-8709 MGNorge Sat, 27 Nov 2010 14:09:22 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=12328#comment-8709 Advertisement? I think it's a review. Advertisement? I think it’s a review.

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