Comments on: Further Thoughts on Honda’s Production Crosstourer (Bike Reports) (News) http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/ Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews Sat, 25 May 2013 06:24:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Rondyke http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32924 Rondyke Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:44:12 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32924 I think the Crosstour “might” be a step in the right direction as far as concept and styling is concerned, and I’m guessing it’ll be a good sport-touring machine for European buyers. But significantly lighter weight, less complexity and more off-road capability would be nice. (For the record, I’m a former AHM employee; before that I did PR for Kawasaki.) I think the Crosstour “might” be a step in the right direction as far as concept and styling is concerned, and I’m guessing it’ll be a good sport-touring machine for European buyers. But significantly lighter weight, less complexity and more off-road capability would be nice.

(For the record, I’m a former AHM employee; before that I did PR for Kawasaki.)

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32920 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:35:09 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32920 Honda Sales Worldwide and USA ....2009 "Honda motorcycle sales and production figures show steady numbers for global operations, with significant drops in North America. The North American figure, which includes Mexico, shows a 48% decline, from 391,000 to 204,000." Yupppp....big pat on the back for those worldwide sales staying steady...mostly third world small bikes btw. USA sales.......another promotion for the DN-01 and this Honda Crossover design and marketing teams. >>>>>> Honda Crossover and VFR1200 getting panned here and mostly everywhere else: Honda is too arrogant to actually do any pre-production design market testing…….you know good artwork showing the design and providing the specs. If they had done this with the VFR1200 and this loser variant the results would have been the same as most stated here……..and this might have been a small clue to rethink things……but no ……Honda is counting on all those that must buy a Honda nomatter what to justify all these loser bikes that they do no pre-production design market testing. Maybe look at it this way …….look at the bikes introduced when Mr. Honda was still alive and those he influenced …………compare this to the bikes since then. My feeling is there is no other manufacturer that has introduced more bikes that did not sell over the past 15 or so years……arrogance is all it is. I think we went through this on another thread…….do either one of us work for Honda? Honda Sales Worldwide and USA ….2009

“Honda motorcycle sales and production figures show steady numbers for global operations, with significant drops in North America. The North American figure, which includes Mexico, shows a 48% decline, from 391,000 to 204,000.”

Yupppp….big pat on the back for those worldwide sales staying steady…mostly third world small bikes btw.

USA sales…….another promotion for the DN-01 and this Honda Crossover design and marketing teams.

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Honda Crossover and VFR1200 getting panned here and mostly everywhere else: Honda is too arrogant to actually do any pre-production design market testing…….you know good artwork showing the design and providing the specs.

If they had done this with the VFR1200 and this loser variant the results would have been the same as most stated here……..and this might have been a small clue to rethink things……but no ……Honda is counting on all those that must buy a Honda nomatter what to justify all these loser bikes that they do no pre-production design market testing.

Maybe look at it this way …….look at the bikes introduced when Mr. Honda was still alive and those he influenced …………compare this to the bikes since then.

My feeling is there is no other manufacturer that has introduced more bikes that did not sell over the past 15 or so years……arrogance is all it is.

I think we went through this on another thread…….do either one of us work for Honda?

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32916 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:22:00 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32916 Honda design and marketing did two lists before the design started on the VFR1200 and this variant the Crossover. Top ten List 1 ......what must be done to win all the comparision tests Top ten List 2 ......what must be done to not finish at the bottom of all the comparision tests Andddddddddd....they have been using the wrong top ten list ever since Honda design and marketing did two lists before the design started on the VFR1200 and this variant the Crossover.

Top ten List 1 ……what must be done to win all the comparision tests

Top ten List 2 ……what must be done to not finish at the bottom of all the comparision tests

Andddddddddd….they have been using the wrong top ten list ever since

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]]> By: Morris Bethoven http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32915 Morris Bethoven Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:19:06 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32915 With all the comments about what a great TOURING bike this is, you would think that HONDA would just go ahead and equip it with the same wheel/tire combo that comes stock on the ST1300. After all, it's only a few pounds lighter than many touring bikes and is only fit for straight and level fire roads (as stated by so many posters in this thread). Heck, I venture off onto fire roads all the time on my Sport Touring bike (but it does weigh a lot less than this newest "Adventure" bike from HONDA. With all the comments about what a great TOURING bike this is, you would think that HONDA would just go ahead and equip it with the same wheel/tire combo that comes stock on the ST1300. After all, it’s only a few pounds lighter than many touring bikes and is only fit for straight and level fire roads (as stated by so many posters in this thread). Heck, I venture off onto fire roads all the time on my Sport Touring bike (but it does weigh a lot less than this newest “Adventure” bike from HONDA.

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32914 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:16:41 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32914 Honda is too arrogant to actually do any pre-production design market testing.......you know good artwork showing the design and providing the specs. If they had done this with the VFR1200 and this loser variant the results would have been the same as most stated here........and this might have been a small clue......but no ......Honda is counting on all those that must buy a Honda nomatter what to justify all these loser bikes that they do no pre-production design market testing. Maybe look at it this way .......look at the bikes introduced when Mr. Honda was still alive and those he influenced ............compare this to the bikes since then. My feeling is there is no other manufacturer that has introduced more bikes that did not sell over the past 15 or so years......arrogance is all it is. I think we went through this on another thread.......do either one of us work for Honda? Honda is too arrogant to actually do any pre-production design market testing…….you know good artwork showing the design and providing the specs.

If they had done this with the VFR1200 and this loser variant the results would have been the same as most stated here……..and this might have been a small clue……but no ……Honda is counting on all those that must buy a Honda nomatter what to justify all these loser bikes that they do no pre-production design market testing.

Maybe look at it this way …….look at the bikes introduced when Mr. Honda was still alive and those he influenced …………compare this to the bikes since then.

My feeling is there is no other manufacturer that has introduced more bikes that did not sell over the past 15 or so years……arrogance is all it is.

I think we went through this on another thread…….do either one of us work for Honda?

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32912 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:04:40 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32912 No one will buy it......yet another in a a long line of new Hondas that never sold. Sorry ...it will sell to those that will only buy Honda Motorcycles and we will be hearing the same well worn and tired justifications for a new Honda bike that fits in no market place, never wins any comparison tests and again....did I mention this....does not sell No one will buy it……yet another in a a long line of new Hondas that never sold.

Sorry …it will sell to those that will only buy Honda Motorcycles and we will be hearing the same well worn and tired justifications for a new Honda bike that fits in no market place, never wins any comparison tests and again….did I mention this….does not sell

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32911 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:59:06 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32911 Good idea.... Another option would be to modify a Honda Pacific Coast for Crosstour. Weighs less than this new loser, auto tip over protection with huge side case bulge, driveshaft, unique look. VIP as you said..... the Pacific Coast Crosstour will keep another bike that did not sell for Honda in the past on the road......and maitain this the tradition of most new Honda models including every variant of the DOA new VFR1200. Honda Crosstour......time for yet big promotions and salary increases for the marketing and design team again......same team that surely did the DN-01 20+ years ago pick slips would have been Mr. Hondas response to all these bikes in the design stage.....certainly none would have made it to production. Good idea….

Another option would be to modify a Honda Pacific Coast for Crosstour.

Weighs less than this new loser, auto tip over protection with huge side case bulge, driveshaft, unique look.

VIP as you said….. the Pacific Coast Crosstour will keep another bike that did not sell for Honda in the past on the road……and maitain this the tradition of most new Honda models including every variant of the DOA new VFR1200.

Honda Crosstour……time for yet big promotions and salary increases for the marketing and design team again……same team that surely did the DN-01

20+ years ago pick slips would have been Mr. Hondas response to all these bikes in the design stage…..certainly none would have made it to production.

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32910 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:43:33 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32910 One and only reason.....manufacturer badge would make it better on the road ....only for riders that must buy a Honda I never owned a BMWGS, but my son did and it is a great bike on the road One and only reason…..manufacturer badge would make it better on the road ….only for riders that must buy a Honda

I never owned a BMWGS, but my son did and it is a great bike on the road

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]]> By: Mike http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32909 Mike Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:39:10 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32909 Old news BMW has had tubeless spoked rims years and the Aprilia Caponord had the feature, but a somewhat differnet design way back in 2002. Old news BMW has had tubeless spoked rims years and the Aprilia Caponord had the feature, but a somewhat differnet design way back in 2002.

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]]> By: Norm G. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/11/further-thoughts-on-hondas-production-crosstourer/comment-page-1/#comment-32860 Norm G. Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:48:37 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=18792#comment-32860 in regards to the weight, ratlanta below is actually the only one who gets it. he just reminded me of a surprisingly counter-intuitive observation i made back when the GS12 first came out. while i liked it's power and updated styling, i found i actually prefered the ride of the older/heavier 1150GS. keep in mind, there was NEVER anything light about the originator nor subsequent models that begat this segment (ie. GS80, GS100, GS1100, etc). tall bikes combined with lighter weight (much like supermotos and enduros) while a boon when pushing them around the garage (only 2%), actually makes them feel skittish when ridden in the open. out on the highways and byways (where these bikes will spend 98% of their time), they can and do turn into "windsails". with that in mind, this honda will be the "cadillac" of the segment. i would hope it'd be pretty obvious by now adventure bikes are simply the way "sport touring" is defined in the 21st century. there's no intent, it's just a styling exercise to sell product. i say good on 'em. around here, those into off-roading (which is actually a large population) don't touch these things with 10ft spanners. never seen one off-highway, ANYWHERE. the real off-roaders (those riding BEFORE adventure bikes became "cool") still buy and ride the purpose built singles all made by these same companies. in regards to the weight, ratlanta below is actually the only one who gets it. he just reminded me of a surprisingly counter-intuitive observation i made back when the GS12 first came out. while i liked it’s power and updated styling, i found i actually prefered the ride of the older/heavier 1150GS. keep in mind, there was NEVER anything light about the originator nor subsequent models that begat this segment (ie. GS80, GS100, GS1100, etc). tall bikes combined with lighter weight (much like supermotos and enduros) while a boon when pushing them around the garage (only 2%), actually makes them feel skittish when ridden in the open. out on the highways and byways (where these bikes will spend 98% of their time), they can and do turn into “windsails”. with that in mind, this honda will be the “cadillac” of the segment. i would hope it’d be pretty obvious by now adventure bikes are simply the way “sport touring” is defined in the 21st century. there’s no intent, it’s just a styling exercise to sell product. i say good on ‘em. around here, those into off-roading (which is actually a large population) don’t touch these things with 10ft spanners. never seen one off-highway, ANYWHERE. the real off-roaders (those riding BEFORE adventure bikes became “cool”) still buy and ride the purpose built singles all made by these same companies.

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