Comments on: Triumph Announces All-New 1215cc Trophy (Bike Reports) (News)

By: Francois

Francois — Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:47:43 +0000

I hear people say from time to time that “they don’t build thing like they did in the good old days”. My reply is “yes, you are right, they build them better.” which p**s them of. Especally when it comes to reliabiltiy. 20 to 30 years ago, you would not by a car with more than about 40,000km on it because it would have to be rebuilt soon – yes, there are exceptions, but Im talking in general. Nowadays most cars will last 300,000km without as much as a misfire as long as you service them regularly and even then they will just keep on going. A friend of mine’s Toyota Coralla went over 400000km before it was stolen without smoking and was more fuel efficient than some other cars I’ve seen. The only thing he replaced at the time I knew him was the cam seals. Some bikes will go 300,000km as well, but you really have to maintain it will to do that. Another frined of mine got a 1998 Kawasaki ZZr1100 (ZX11) with around 150,000km ont and still going strong, and it was a project bike when he bought it originaly.

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By: Torbjorn

Torbjorn — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 12:40:45 +0000

22k……in norway we pay 60000$ for a fully equipped k1600gt

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By: goose

goose — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:21:55 +0000

John,

Thanks for fighting the good fight on this. I’ve tried to make the same or similar points many times here and elsewhere but people just seem happier believing myths and over simplifications.

I’v never heard first order called rectiliniear but it does make sense given the direction of the forces.

For what its worth, I’d guess four cylinders became dominant because the first modern multies (CB750s then the Z1) were designed in the sixties, before Yamaha pioneered rotating counter balancers in motorcycle engines in the seventies. The old BSA/ Triumph tripes were not someone with a future, more of a shadow of the past.

Rest assured that at least some people understand what you are saying and appreciate your effort.

Goose

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By: Scorpio

Scorpio — Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:56:00 +0000

Not nearly as pretty as the previous generation 900/1200 Trophy, kind of an amalgam of the rest of the market/niche in my eyes, but certainly desirable! I expect it will do very well.

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By: Todd

Todd — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:50:29 +0000

This may be the one that prompts me to consider a move off the FJR but it will have to be stellar on the road and not too expensive. Can’t wait to ride it. Only negative is the weight but it’s not significant vs. the FJR.

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By: Mike955i

Mike955i — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:02:31 +0000

Seriously WANT! Having owned a Sprint RS and curently owning a Speed triple I love the triple motor, but my “FOG” status makes the S3 a little small for long trips. I like the looks of the FJR but have never liked any i4 motor. The Concours 14 has awesome power but I cant get past it’s looks. I’d love to own the K1600GT but $22k – seriously? I didn’t pay that much for my truck!

Triumph triple motor – check
Sweet lines – check
Capacity for 2 “real” people – check
Priced at less than $17k – here’s my check

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By: Alain

Alain — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:32:05 +0000

This 1215 Trophy seems to be a superb sport tourer but I think I’ll keep my VFR1200 for for a few more years…

My question is: Is a Triumph Trophy would be as reliable as a Honda ST1300 or Concours 14 or FJR1300 ?

I have always prefer the japanese brands over the Germain/English/Italian brands for the service, number of dealerships and pricing (purchase/parts/service).

But a Triumph Trophy in silver would be nice sitting next to the VFR…

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By: Gary

Gary — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:35:17 +0000

Yeah, my wife is always telling me that I am “fundamentally wrong on a cultural level.” She usually says that right after I let loose a huge phart. I hang my head in shame for not having better social graces, along with a more nuanced understanding of torque versus HP.

By: John Tuttle

John Tuttle — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:16:21 +0000

Mr. Gary-Dude … The point that I try to make is that cylinder configuration has no direct bearing on engine performance. Second to that point, I also try to make the point that the correct, substantive meaning of the word “torque” is not synonymous with low-rpm performance. These two misconceptions are pervasive with motoring enthusiasts, both two-wheel and four-wheel variety. The true, inherent differences among engine types, i.e., among engines with different cylinder configurations, are with the balance characteristics. People frequently make comments that say that a certain type of engine is better for “torque”. It annoys me, because it amounts to a falsehood layered over a contrivance. The falsehood is the idea that the arrangement of the cylinders has any direct bearing on the performance characteristic of the engine, i.e., the overall shape of the torque curve and the power curve. The contrivance is with the way that the word “torque” is used to denote low-rpm performance. I can deal with falsehoods, and I can deal with contrivances. I deal with both fairly regularly. But when it comes to a falsehood that is layered over a contrivance, and when I encounter this just about every time that I visit any automotive enthusiast site where people can share their opinions, I just can’t help but think that something is fundamentally wrong on a cultural level.

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By: fast2win

fast2win — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:50:46 +0000

Your old bike was no where near 125lbs. lighter. roadtests of the day showed those bike closer to 650 lbs ready to ride. which makes them similar in weight. Loaded one of those bike on and off a trailer next to my old S2 Buell which I put on a scale full of fuel at 495ish. My buell went up by myself and the trophy needed 2 of us. The manufactures now a days seem o be much more realistic with their specs. I know Triumph advertised that bike at 518, but thats not even close. As for the shaft, I would not buy a sport tourer without one.Why would you want a chain?

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