Comments on: BMW Updates F800GS, Adds F700GS for 2013 (Bike Reports) (News) http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/ Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews Wed, 22 May 2013 04:37:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: eric http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-55029 eric Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:50:07 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-55029 take a look at BMW cars - they do the same thing. The 335i is really a 3.0, which is actually called that on the X5 3.0. Then there's the 328i, which is really a 2.5. Haha. Still this bike will probably be my next bike, naming mis-conventions aside. I've ridden the Triumph and its just too tall for me. The F650/F700 is the right height, feel, features, capability. And I just don't want another japanese bike like the V-Strom, which is also too tall for me anyway. take a look at BMW cars – they do the same thing. The 335i is really a 3.0, which is actually called that on the X5 3.0. Then there’s the 328i, which is really a 2.5. Haha. Still this bike will probably be my next bike, naming mis-conventions aside. I’ve ridden the Triumph and its just too tall for me. The F650/F700 is the right height, feel, features, capability. And I just don’t want another japanese bike like the V-Strom, which is also too tall for me anyway.

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]]> By: T. Rollie http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-54801 T. Rollie Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:34:54 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-54801 German owned Austria for a while in WWII, and what the heck, let's just assume they still own Austria. The engine is now German made. German owned Austria for a while in WWII, and what the heck, let’s just assume they still own Austria. The engine is now German made.

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]]> By: goose http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-54658 goose Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:59:59 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-54658 John, I was referring to US sales. I couldn't care less who is dominating the 50CC scooter market on China. The Europeans are still minor in the US but they have been posting great gains since the recession began. Triumph is really doing well. If they keep it up they will be more than a minor part of the US scene. If you only look at number of units sold you are right. OTOH, you need to sell a boatload of 50CC scooters to make as much money as Honda makes on one Goldwing or CBR1000RR. Don't forget that emblem on the tank comes with more power throughout the rev range (about 11 HP, almost 20%, more on top), much better suspension with more travel, a 21" front wheel, better brakes and a slightly more powerful alternator, among other things. Is that worth $2K? That is up to you. For my money, I’d buy the Tiger 800 over either the Beemer or Wee-Strom. The new DL650 is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. While the new bike is better looking it is still pretty much the same, 8 year old, engine and chassis. Suzuki promised more power and better fuel mileage but it hasn't been seen in any test I've read. I was hoping to see a larger motor, maybe less weight, better suspension, etc. I'm not putting the DL650 down; it is a great bike and a tremendous bargain. But if I was looking for a great deal on an Adventure Bike I'd look for a used "old style" Wee-Strom for half the price of the pretty but otherwise not really improved new version. If Suzuki had made the new version clearly better than the old bike the used bike option wouldn't seem as appealing. That pretty much sums up what I'm saying. Goose John,

I was referring to US sales. I couldn’t care less who is dominating the 50CC scooter market on China. The Europeans are still minor in the US but they have been posting great gains since the recession began. Triumph is really doing well. If they keep it up they will be more than a minor part of the US scene.

If you only look at number of units sold you are right. OTOH, you need to sell a boatload of 50CC scooters to make as much money as Honda makes on one Goldwing or CBR1000RR.

Don’t forget that emblem on the tank comes with more power throughout the rev range (about 11 HP, almost 20%, more on top), much better suspension with more travel, a 21″ front wheel, better brakes and a slightly more powerful alternator, among other things. Is that worth $2K? That is up to you. For my money, I’d buy the Tiger 800 over either the Beemer or Wee-Strom.

The new DL650 is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. While the new bike is better looking it is still pretty much the same, 8 year old, engine and chassis. Suzuki promised more power and better fuel mileage but it hasn’t been seen in any test I’ve read. I was hoping to see a larger motor, maybe less weight, better suspension, etc.

I’m not putting the DL650 down; it is a great bike and a tremendous bargain. But if I was looking for a great deal on an Adventure Bike I’d look for a used “old style” Wee-Strom for half the price of the pretty but otherwise not really improved new version. If Suzuki had made the new version clearly better than the old bike the used bike option wouldn’t seem as appealing. That pretty much sums up what I’m saying.

Goose

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]]> By: John Tuttle http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-54117 John Tuttle Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:50:53 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-54117 Yeah, the headlights look like that crazy cat, but come on. BMW has been using this headlight for so long now that I'm not even sure what decade it was when it first appeared. Yeah, the headlights look like that crazy cat, but come on. BMW has been using this headlight for so long now that I’m not even sure what decade it was when it first appeared.

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]]> By: Dennis http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-53831 Dennis Sun, 08 Jul 2012 11:14:45 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-53831 I'm a lot of things, but xenophobic is definitely not one of them. And I was wrong about the Chinese motors, just had the wrong info. But if you're going to shell out the kind of cash BMW want's for their "German engineered" products, the least they could do is put their money where their mouth is and make 'em at home. I’m a lot of things, but xenophobic is definitely not one of them.
And I was wrong about the Chinese motors, just had the wrong info.
But if you’re going to shell out the kind of cash BMW want’s for their “German engineered” products, the least they could do is put their money where their mouth is and make ‘em at home.

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]]> By: John H. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-53760 John H. Sun, 08 Jul 2012 03:30:25 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-53760 I guess you're talking about US or North American market share? Or maybe even Europe? Even combined, they're a drop in the bucket. The Japanese are not "sitting back," but are instead focused on India and SE Asia, where the vast majority of motorcycles are being sold. The F700GS seems like a nice bike... but why would you pay the $2K premium over a '12 V-Strom 650. That's too steep a price for an emblem on the tank. Especially a propeller. I guess you’re talking about US or North American market share? Or maybe even Europe? Even combined, they’re a drop in the bucket. The Japanese are not “sitting back,” but are instead focused on India and SE Asia, where the vast majority of motorcycles are being sold. The F700GS seems like a nice bike… but why would you pay the $2K premium over a ’12 V-Strom 650. That’s too steep a price for an emblem on the tank. Especially a propeller.

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]]> By: Scotty http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-53553 Scotty Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:16:28 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-53553 Hard row to hoe George, disabiusing people of thier xenophobic beliefss they hold so dearly. Hard row to hoe George, disabiusing people of thier xenophobic beliefss they hold so dearly.

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]]> By: HalfBaked http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-53521 HalfBaked Sat, 07 Jul 2012 01:43:08 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-53521 You could buy an XR and KLX 650 for what this thing costs and they're not made in China. You could buy an XR and KLX 650 for what this thing costs and they’re not made in China.

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]]> By: Colin http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-53459 Colin Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:25:28 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-53459 Nice improvements, especially the second front disc. Still wish they would give both versions the full-power engine and just call them the F800GS and the F800GS Adventure. Nice improvements, especially the second front disc. Still wish they would give both versions the full-power engine and just call them the F800GS and the F800GS Adventure.

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]]> By: Ron Gordon http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/bmw-updates-f800gs-adds-f700gs-for-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-53430 Ron Gordon Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:51:07 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23135#comment-53430 I forgot what Bill The Cat lookliked until I went back for another look. Spot on. I forgot what Bill The Cat lookliked until I went back for another look. Spot on.

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