Comments on: Laguna Seca MotoGP Results (News) (Race Results) http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/ Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews Wed, 22 May 2013 03:07:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Dave http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-56072 Dave Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:51:02 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-56072 Leasing an NSR500 2T GP bike used to cost $1m per year without suspension, wheels, or tires. 2T racing wasn't inexpensive and it would probably cost just as much as the rules allowed for today (electronics R&D, etc.). It was just a different economic time and it's tougher to come up with the money today. While people identify with familiar equipment, F1 is popular despite these cars not bearing any resemblance to anything any of us have ever driven. Leasing an NSR500 2T GP bike used to cost $1m per year without suspension, wheels, or tires. 2T racing wasn’t inexpensive and it would probably cost just as much as the rules allowed for today (electronics R&D, etc.). It was just a different economic time and it’s tougher to come up with the money today.

While people identify with familiar equipment, F1 is popular despite these cars not bearing any resemblance to anything any of us have ever driven.

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]]> By: bikerrandy http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-56069 bikerrandy Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:50:47 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-56069 The whole justification of bike road racing is to attract customers to buy similar MCs for street use. Thus when 2 stroke street MCs were banned by govts., 2 stroke GP bikes didn't make any sense any more. WSBK had become more popular than GP races. Thus GP 4 stroke prototype bikes became the norm. Now the series is too expensive to allow more manufacturers to participate in it. The demise of Moto GP racing is coming.......... The whole justification of bike road racing is to attract customers to buy similar MCs for street use. Thus when 2 stroke street MCs were banned by govts., 2 stroke GP bikes didn’t make any sense any more. WSBK had become more popular than GP races. Thus GP 4 stroke prototype bikes became the norm. Now the series is too expensive to allow more manufacturers to participate in it. The demise of Moto GP racing is coming……….

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]]> By: Scott in the UK http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55795 Scott in the UK Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:46:53 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55795 Old time 500cc 2Ts were making a good 180hp I believe before they were canned. 1000cc should do it. Even a simple across the frame fours should make decent power. TZR1000?? NSR1000? Old time 500cc 2Ts were making a good 180hp I believe before they were canned. 1000cc should do it. Even a simple across the frame fours should make decent power. TZR1000?? NSR1000?

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]]> By: Gary http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55787 Gary Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:21:31 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55787 Hi Dave. I guess what threw me off was when you write: "There is no evidence to indicate that electronics has had any effect on the racing at all." This is a much different statement from: "riders would finish in the same order no matter what the rules governing the equipoment are." I disagree with the first statement but (sort of) agree with the second. Cheers ... Hi Dave. I guess what threw me off was when you write:

“There is no evidence to indicate that electronics has had any effect on the racing at all.”

This is a much different statement from:

“riders would finish in the same order no matter what the rules governing the equipoment are.”

I disagree with the first statement but (sort of) agree with the second.

Cheers …

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]]> By: MGNorge http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55772 MGNorge Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:23:20 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55772 Where would those two-stroke engines come from? Where would those two-stroke engines come from?

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]]> By: Dave http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55745 Dave Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:29:27 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55745 Incidental? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. They all use traction control. Riding a GP bike competitively without it is impossible. Some feel that it takes the "man" off the bike and that the riders are just robots. I assert that the riders would finish in the same order no matter what the rules governing the equipment were. To drive that point home, Josh Hayes won his first AMA superbike title without traction control against a field of riders that did have it. Not a GP bike but proof beyond a doubt that he is the best rider in that series beyond even technological intervention. Incidental? I’m not sure I understand what you’re getting at.

They all use traction control. Riding a GP bike competitively without it is impossible. Some feel that it takes the “man” off the bike and that the riders are just robots. I assert that the riders would finish in the same order no matter what the rules governing the equipment were.

To drive that point home, Josh Hayes won his first AMA superbike title without traction control against a field of riders that did have it. Not a GP bike but proof beyond a doubt that he is the best rider in that series beyond even technological intervention.

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]]> By: Gary http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55725 Gary Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:12:14 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55725 I guess it's possible that the fact all MotoGP teams use electronics is incidental. Maybe they are all off base, and there is not advantage to traction electronics. But I doubt it. Don't you? I guess it’s possible that the fact all MotoGP teams use electronics is incidental. Maybe they are all off base, and there is not advantage to traction electronics.

But I doubt it.

Don’t you?

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]]> By: SCutchins http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55713 SCutchins Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55713 My thoughts exactly, it seems like his team is really letting him down. Houseworth is a common thread, maybe he can't handle the world stage? My thoughts exactly, it seems like his team is really letting him down. Houseworth is a common thread, maybe he can’t handle the world stage?

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]]> By: Hefner http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55676 Hefner Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:48:47 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55676 Spies... He's done his fair share to mess up this season all on his own, but to have a failed swingarm take him out of an easy 4th place, and getting sent out on a cracked subframe at the opening round at Qatar really makes me wonder if his team is up to the task. We'll just set his chunked tire aside, as I don't think his team had anything to do with that... But if you recall his season in WSBK, he was also plagued with numerous equipment failures including running out of fuel and loose bolts in his rear-sets. You could argue that it's not the manufacturer, but the team... But Yamaha is a common thread here (interestingly, only the factory Yamaha team. His time with Tech 3 seemed uneventful equipment durability-wise). Bringing Woody into his WSBK team seemed to get his bike back on track, but he doesn't seem to have helped him much this year. In either case, I think it's time he got rid of both. Spies…

He’s done his fair share to mess up this season all on his own, but to have a failed swingarm take him out of an easy 4th place, and getting sent out on a cracked subframe at the opening round at Qatar really makes me wonder if his team is up to the task. We’ll just set his chunked tire aside, as I don’t think his team had anything to do with that… But if you recall his season in WSBK, he was also plagued with numerous equipment failures including running out of fuel and loose bolts in his rear-sets.

You could argue that it’s not the manufacturer, but the team… But Yamaha is a common thread here (interestingly, only the factory Yamaha team. His time with Tech 3 seemed uneventful equipment durability-wise). Bringing Woody into his WSBK team seemed to get his bike back on track, but he doesn’t seem to have helped him much this year.

In either case, I think it’s time he got rid of both.

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]]> By: Davide http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/07/lacuna-seca-motogp-results/comment-page-1/#comment-55627 Davide Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:53:37 +0000 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/?p=23398#comment-55627 Loos like Rossi is going back to Yamaha next year. Should be exciting! Loos like Rossi is going back to Yamaha next year. Should be exciting!

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