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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 04:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you understand how insane that is? That&#039;s like saying if you buy an SV650, which is the gas bike equivalent, Suzuki should also pay for your gas for life.</description>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 04:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If what you say is true, all motorcycles are suicide.</description>
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		<title>By: LectricBill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 06:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s staggering to read how many people dismiss the transmission on this bike without ever riding one or without riding it long enough to get into how to use it properly. As an owner of an Empulse, you may want to dismiss me as a &quot;FanBoy&quot;, but, FWIW, here&#039;s my experience:

I&#039;ve put 2K miles on the Empulse as a daily commuter from South San Francisco to San Francisco. I also ride it around SF all day long, 5 days a week, on my job, then home at night. Although I&#039;ve been riding motorcycles for only 44 years, this is one of the best-handling and most exciting machines I&#039;ve ever been on. 

More to the point: It may be the ultimate &quot;street fighter&quot;, that is, urban transportation that feels wicked quick off the line, nimble, quiet, fast, narrow and flat-out fun. Oh yeah, and it corners like it&#039;s on rails, the most confidence-inspiring bike in the twisties I&#039;ve ever been on. It just happens to be electric.

Its sound level is dangerous? Not in my experience, but then I&#039;ve ridden bicycles around cities for many years. When the Empulse is in Sport mode and decelerates in 1st gear, it throws out a very distinctive whine that makes most pedestrians turn their heads to look. If I need more sound for cars, well, I always replace any bike&#039;s horn with an aftermarket tweeter for more db&#039;s. Face it: 98% of drivers&#039; situational awareness comes through their eyes, not their ears in closed cars with the stereo blasting. But this is an old debate that we aren&#039;t likely to solve here.

Cost? Well check out this cool online calculator:

http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php

Personally, my commute runs 30 to 50 miles a day and my &quot;fuel&quot; bill will run about $15 a month. I absolutely love noticing the price of gasoline and laughing on my silent way by the stations. Then there&#039;s the cost savings I pass on to others&#039; lung health by my not spewing carcinogens into their faces. (You can thank me where you&#039;re a lot older!) OK, maybe that was a cheap shot!

No engine oil, no oil filter, no fuel filter, no air filter, no valve adjustments, no carb syncs, no sparkplugs, no alternator, no coil, no 12V battery every 2 years, no throttle body adjustments. Just brakes, chain, and tires. Even if you do all the work yourself (I do), the cost of parts and fluids really add up; not to mention busted knuckles! Did I say no valve adjustments?!!

A sport bike not practical? Brammo will release Givi side cases and mounts shortly. Those and a planned top case should handle my work and recreation needs.(It&#039;s not a tourer!) For now, a largish pack carries all my work stuff and I add a messenger bag for groceries. (I don&#039;t own a car.)

Now for the tranny: When I test rode this bike, I thought the 6 speeds were overkill, kind of like moving around a disconnected joystick on a video game (great line!). But I&#039;ve come to experience that there really has been some solid thought that went into making this transmission work with this power train. And there&#039;s some subtleties that I didn&#039;t pick up on until after a few hundred miles in the saddle.

First, to say you can&#039;t dump the clutch for a wheelie is to totally misunderstand the nature of an electric motor: there&#039;s no spinning mass (flywheel) to give you instant momentum transfer. It&#039;s not the software that&#039;s limiting hooliganism; it&#039;s the nature of a relatively light electric motor. Granted, the software IS set to prevent pure power wheelies, but not by much (about 10%), but that&#039;s OK by me. I&#039;ve seen enough squids really mess up themselves with wheelies and stoppies on the streets. And with the instant torque of this motor... well I&#039;d hate to see the results, much less clean it up.

So why have I grown to appreciate 6 speeds? Three reasons: 

1) It&#039;s the nature of electric motors to either have grunt off the line OR high top-end, but not usually both at the same time, unless you&#039;re talking about $$$ racing machines with high voltage batteries, expensive controllers etc. Brammo chose to go with a relatively small motor (54 HP, 60 ft. lbs) and get both a &quot;shot from gun&quot; experience away from stop lights, and an honest, sustainable high end, with no thermal cutbacks, thanks to water-cooling. It takes a gearbox to do that, in lieu of higher voltages and expensive motors and controllers. Personally, having test ridden anemic-off-the-line electrics prior to the Empulse, I&#039;m very grateful for their design choice. And the gear box helps with range while doing all this, something the $45K electric track bikes don&#039;t have much of.

2) The Empulse R motor has two energy sweet spots: 5000 RPM for the most energy efficiency (range) and, for max power, either 6000 RPM for Sport mode or 7000 RPM for Normal mode. With a multi-speed transmission I can keep the motor running at any of those goals, regardless of vehicle speed, within reason. For example, here&#039;s what I&#039;ve experienced:

1: 38 mph @ 5000
2: 47 mph @ 5000
3: 57 mph @ 5000
4: 66 mph @ 5000
5: 77 mph @ 5000
6: CHP    @ 5000

Now I admit, I haven&#039;t needed 6th gear very often; and I wouldn&#039;t put my speed in print! But these are good speeds for urban/freeway riding and the 5K point maximizes my range. Can&#039;t quite do that so nicely with 2 gears, or even an extra battery, I&#039;d guess. 

For the power end of things, every day on my way home, I have to merge across 4 lanes of freeway in a fairly short distance, starting at the right and ending in the No. 1 (fast lane). The right lane where this happens is always slow and I&#039;m usually lane splitting at that point, say 35 mph in 1st. If I start around 5K RPM, I&#039;m using the motor efficiently. As I goose the throttle and change lanes, I can run up to 6K for power, do a slick clutchless upshift through the gears until I&#039;m doing about 65 mph in the fast lane and never leave that band of efficiency. Can&#039;t do that with 2 gears. (It&#039;s possible those guys up in Oregon actually thought about this!)

3) Then there&#039;s regenerative braking, which in Sport mode offers significant &quot;engine braking,&quot; the degree of which I can dial in with the throttle. Having gears to slam down through as I come off a long downhill exit ramp every day is pretty sweet, going from 75 mph to 15 mph before needing to get on the brakes. Again, I think I&#039;d definitely miss that granularity with 2 speeds. 

Finally, why is neutral between 2nd and 3rd? I have no idea, but it does eliminate false neutrals when driving around town, so I like it there just fine. The bike is noticeably easier to roll around in neutral and I find neutral useful for lubing the chain on a track stand. Mostly what I use it for is to allow friendly gawkers to hear the sound of the motor when I&#039;m about to leave from my parking places around the City. Having a neutral is also rumored to satisfy a legal requirement, but, while I&#039;ve been called a lot of things, &quot;lawyer&quot; is not one of them!

I hope you guys have some more time in the saddle of this fun, practical, sweet machine. She will reveal much more charm over time. And arm-chair pronouncements about the gearbox&#039;s being silly, useless, overkill, affectation, etc. won&#039;t seem like nearly so much fun as blasting around cheaply and with the sound of the Starship Enterprise&#039;s flux capacitor being charged. (Yeah, I&#039;m a geek!) 

PS to Gabe: The demo model you rode has much less power than the later production models. My Normal mode accelerates like the demo&#039;s Sport mode. Let me know if you want to try mine sometime.

Seeya on the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s staggering to read how many people dismiss the transmission on this bike without ever riding one or without riding it long enough to get into how to use it properly. As an owner of an Empulse, you may want to dismiss me as a &#8220;FanBoy&#8221;, but, FWIW, here&#8217;s my experience:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve put 2K miles on the Empulse as a daily commuter from South San Francisco to San Francisco. I also ride it around SF all day long, 5 days a week, on my job, then home at night. Although I&#8217;ve been riding motorcycles for only 44 years, this is one of the best-handling and most exciting machines I&#8217;ve ever been on. </p>
<p>More to the point: It may be the ultimate &#8220;street fighter&#8221;, that is, urban transportation that feels wicked quick off the line, nimble, quiet, fast, narrow and flat-out fun. Oh yeah, and it corners like it&#8217;s on rails, the most confidence-inspiring bike in the twisties I&#8217;ve ever been on. It just happens to be electric.</p>
<p>Its sound level is dangerous? Not in my experience, but then I&#8217;ve ridden bicycles around cities for many years. When the Empulse is in Sport mode and decelerates in 1st gear, it throws out a very distinctive whine that makes most pedestrians turn their heads to look. If I need more sound for cars, well, I always replace any bike&#8217;s horn with an aftermarket tweeter for more db&#8217;s. Face it: 98% of drivers&#8217; situational awareness comes through their eyes, not their ears in closed cars with the stereo blasting. But this is an old debate that we aren&#8217;t likely to solve here.</p>
<p>Cost? Well check out this cool online calculator:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.empulsebuyer.com/tcoCalculator.php</a></p>
<p>Personally, my commute runs 30 to 50 miles a day and my &#8220;fuel&#8221; bill will run about $15 a month. I absolutely love noticing the price of gasoline and laughing on my silent way by the stations. Then there&#8217;s the cost savings I pass on to others&#8217; lung health by my not spewing carcinogens into their faces. (You can thank me where you&#8217;re a lot older!) OK, maybe that was a cheap shot!</p>
<p>No engine oil, no oil filter, no fuel filter, no air filter, no valve adjustments, no carb syncs, no sparkplugs, no alternator, no coil, no 12V battery every 2 years, no throttle body adjustments. Just brakes, chain, and tires. Even if you do all the work yourself (I do), the cost of parts and fluids really add up; not to mention busted knuckles! Did I say no valve adjustments?!!</p>
<p>A sport bike not practical? Brammo will release Givi side cases and mounts shortly. Those and a planned top case should handle my work and recreation needs.(It&#8217;s not a tourer!) For now, a largish pack carries all my work stuff and I add a messenger bag for groceries. (I don&#8217;t own a car.)</p>
<p>Now for the tranny: When I test rode this bike, I thought the 6 speeds were overkill, kind of like moving around a disconnected joystick on a video game (great line!). But I&#8217;ve come to experience that there really has been some solid thought that went into making this transmission work with this power train. And there&#8217;s some subtleties that I didn&#8217;t pick up on until after a few hundred miles in the saddle.</p>
<p>First, to say you can&#8217;t dump the clutch for a wheelie is to totally misunderstand the nature of an electric motor: there&#8217;s no spinning mass (flywheel) to give you instant momentum transfer. It&#8217;s not the software that&#8217;s limiting hooliganism; it&#8217;s the nature of a relatively light electric motor. Granted, the software IS set to prevent pure power wheelies, but not by much (about 10%), but that&#8217;s OK by me. I&#8217;ve seen enough squids really mess up themselves with wheelies and stoppies on the streets. And with the instant torque of this motor&#8230; well I&#8217;d hate to see the results, much less clean it up.</p>
<p>So why have I grown to appreciate 6 speeds? Three reasons: </p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s the nature of electric motors to either have grunt off the line OR high top-end, but not usually both at the same time, unless you&#8217;re talking about $$$ racing machines with high voltage batteries, expensive controllers etc. Brammo chose to go with a relatively small motor (54 HP, 60 ft. lbs) and get both a &#8220;shot from gun&#8221; experience away from stop lights, and an honest, sustainable high end, with no thermal cutbacks, thanks to water-cooling. It takes a gearbox to do that, in lieu of higher voltages and expensive motors and controllers. Personally, having test ridden anemic-off-the-line electrics prior to the Empulse, I&#8217;m very grateful for their design choice. And the gear box helps with range while doing all this, something the $45K electric track bikes don&#8217;t have much of.</p>
<p>2) The Empulse R motor has two energy sweet spots: 5000 RPM for the most energy efficiency (range) and, for max power, either 6000 RPM for Sport mode or 7000 RPM for Normal mode. With a multi-speed transmission I can keep the motor running at any of those goals, regardless of vehicle speed, within reason. For example, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve experienced:</p>
<p>1: 38 mph @ 5000<br />
2: 47 mph @ 5000<br />
3: 57 mph @ 5000<br />
4: 66 mph @ 5000<br />
5: 77 mph @ 5000<br />
6: CHP    @ 5000</p>
<p>Now I admit, I haven&#8217;t needed 6th gear very often; and I wouldn&#8217;t put my speed in print! But these are good speeds for urban/freeway riding and the 5K point maximizes my range. Can&#8217;t quite do that so nicely with 2 gears, or even an extra battery, I&#8217;d guess. </p>
<p>For the power end of things, every day on my way home, I have to merge across 4 lanes of freeway in a fairly short distance, starting at the right and ending in the No. 1 (fast lane). The right lane where this happens is always slow and I&#8217;m usually lane splitting at that point, say 35 mph in 1st. If I start around 5K RPM, I&#8217;m using the motor efficiently. As I goose the throttle and change lanes, I can run up to 6K for power, do a slick clutchless upshift through the gears until I&#8217;m doing about 65 mph in the fast lane and never leave that band of efficiency. Can&#8217;t do that with 2 gears. (It&#8217;s possible those guys up in Oregon actually thought about this!)</p>
<p>3) Then there&#8217;s regenerative braking, which in Sport mode offers significant &#8220;engine braking,&#8221; the degree of which I can dial in with the throttle. Having gears to slam down through as I come off a long downhill exit ramp every day is pretty sweet, going from 75 mph to 15 mph before needing to get on the brakes. Again, I think I&#8217;d definitely miss that granularity with 2 speeds. </p>
<p>Finally, why is neutral between 2nd and 3rd? I have no idea, but it does eliminate false neutrals when driving around town, so I like it there just fine. The bike is noticeably easier to roll around in neutral and I find neutral useful for lubing the chain on a track stand. Mostly what I use it for is to allow friendly gawkers to hear the sound of the motor when I&#8217;m about to leave from my parking places around the City. Having a neutral is also rumored to satisfy a legal requirement, but, while I&#8217;ve been called a lot of things, &#8220;lawyer&#8221; is not one of them!</p>
<p>I hope you guys have some more time in the saddle of this fun, practical, sweet machine. She will reveal much more charm over time. And arm-chair pronouncements about the gearbox&#8217;s being silly, useless, overkill, affectation, etc. won&#8217;t seem like nearly so much fun as blasting around cheaply and with the sound of the Starship Enterprise&#8217;s flux capacitor being charged. (Yeah, I&#8217;m a geek!) </p>
<p>PS to Gabe: The demo model you rode has much less power than the later production models. My Normal mode accelerates like the demo&#8217;s Sport mode. Let me know if you want to try mine sometime.</p>
<p>Seeya on the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I test rode one of these at Bartels and had a blast, I went back 3 weeks later and they let me take it out again. I agree with the 2 or 3 speed idea. I suggest that everyone that thinks electrics are a joke should go try one first and if you don&#039;t have a good time then knock em.  The test ride is free.  Check out the footage starting at 7:40 and tell me that doesn&#039;t look fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXmqzzGBPM&amp;list=PL258E0E8358EFF896</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I test rode one of these at Bartels and had a blast, I went back 3 weeks later and they let me take it out again. I agree with the 2 or 3 speed idea. I suggest that everyone that thinks electrics are a joke should go try one first and if you don&#8217;t have a good time then knock em.  The test ride is free.  Check out the footage starting at 7:40 and tell me that doesn&#8217;t look fun!<br />
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		<title>By: Sabu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 05:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riding this bike in a big city is suicide - cars, pedestrians, and bikes can&#039;t hear you coming and will always be cutting in front of you.  When are they going to add a noise option to these bikes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riding this bike in a big city is suicide &#8211; cars, pedestrians, and bikes can&#8217;t hear you coming and will always be cutting in front of you.  When are they going to add a noise option to these bikes?
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		<title>By: Jeremy in TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy in TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t have the effective US tax rate for the 2011 year and just assumed it was around the 2010 number you cited.  I stand corrected on that, but it makes little difference in that Exxon is paying a substantial amount of taxes both in terms as a percentage of their earnings and total dollar value.  A much, much larger percentage than you or I do.  Use your own brain cells and you would see that immediately from the original article you quoted.

With respect to the 6% manufacturing tax deduction, EVERY manufacturer gets that deduction only any other manufacturer that isn&#039;t an oil company can claim 9% - 50% more deduction than an oil company.  And it is a deduction, not a credit.  Your tax dollars are not getting diverted to Exxon&#039;s bank account.

And I care what every company that contributes to the US economy has to pay in taxes here and Angola.  I want them to be competitive on the world scene and have incentive to keep as many jobs on US shores as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have the effective US tax rate for the 2011 year and just assumed it was around the 2010 number you cited.  I stand corrected on that, but it makes little difference in that Exxon is paying a substantial amount of taxes both in terms as a percentage of their earnings and total dollar value.  A much, much larger percentage than you or I do.  Use your own brain cells and you would see that immediately from the original article you quoted.</p>
<p>With respect to the 6% manufacturing tax deduction, EVERY manufacturer gets that deduction only any other manufacturer that isn&#8217;t an oil company can claim 9% &#8211; 50% more deduction than an oil company.  And it is a deduction, not a credit.  Your tax dollars are not getting diverted to Exxon&#8217;s bank account.</p>
<p>And I care what every company that contributes to the US economy has to pay in taxes here and Angola.  I want them to be competitive on the world scene and have incentive to keep as many jobs on US shores as possible.
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		<title>By: Jeremy in TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy in TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but 80% is the level I would need to get to my office and still have a little reserve for safety&#039;s sake.  So at that point, it is no good for me.  Like I said, this post was only with respect to what I personally would need out of the bike for commuting.  I am not taking a stab at the Empulse or ebikes in general and am in fact happy to see the progress being made.  The Empulse is a big step forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but 80% is the level I would need to get to my office and still have a little reserve for safety&#8217;s sake.  So at that point, it is no good for me.  Like I said, this post was only with respect to what I personally would need out of the bike for commuting.  I am not taking a stab at the Empulse or ebikes in general and am in fact happy to see the progress being made.  The Empulse is a big step forward.
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		<title>By: pistoldave</title>
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		<dc:creator>pistoldave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an electric vehicle kool-aid drinker, nor do I have any legitimate use for one of these bikes as a commuter.  Having said that, I really do want one just for the novelty of it, now that the performance of the bikes is up to a place where they look like they would be a hoot to ride.  If they can get them down to about the 6k$ ish range without sacrificing performance through the miracle of mass production, I will have one of these.  Until then I will just have to sit on one of my IC bikes in the garage and make whirring electric motor noises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an electric vehicle kool-aid drinker, nor do I have any legitimate use for one of these bikes as a commuter.  Having said that, I really do want one just for the novelty of it, now that the performance of the bikes is up to a place where they look like they would be a hoot to ride.  If they can get them down to about the 6k$ ish range without sacrificing performance through the miracle of mass production, I will have one of these.  Until then I will just have to sit on one of my IC bikes in the garage and make whirring electric motor noises.
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		<title>By: T. Rollie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>get your facts straight and apply your own brain cells for a change:  &quot;ExxonMobil pays tax of just 13% or so on its U.S. profits. ...oil companies’ domestic manufacturing tax deduction of 6% of the value of oil and gas they produce in the United States...&quot;  

That&#039;s 6% deduction most Americans would rather not give to oil companies.

Read beyond the slanted headlines and ideological spin.   Do you really care that Exxon must pay high income taxes to Angola?  It&#039;s the US I care about, and we should jack up their US Income taxes to repair all the pollution and damage they walk away from.

Read it all here in a very conservative magazine:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/04/16/which-megacorps-pay-megataxes/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get your facts straight and apply your own brain cells for a change:  &#8220;ExxonMobil pays tax of just 13% or so on its U.S. profits. &#8230;oil companies’ domestic manufacturing tax deduction of 6% of the value of oil and gas they produce in the United States&#8230;&#8221;  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s 6% deduction most Americans would rather not give to oil companies.</p>
<p>Read beyond the slanted headlines and ideological spin.   Do you really care that Exxon must pay high income taxes to Angola?  It&#8217;s the US I care about, and we should jack up their US Income taxes to repair all the pollution and damage they walk away from.</p>
<p>Read it all here in a very conservative magazine:<br />
<a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/04/16/which-megacorps-pay-megataxes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/04/16/which-megacorps-pay-megataxes/</a>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<description>But the 1500 cycles you are quoting is only to 80% SOC, not 0% SOC(that takes another 6000 charge cycles).  So therefore you could ride the bike for alot longer than 5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the 1500 cycles you are quoting is only to 80% SOC, not 0% SOC(that takes another 6000 charge cycles).  So therefore you could ride the bike for alot longer than 5 years.
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