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Best Photo Yet of Victory’s Project 156 Sport Engine (Updated With Latest Project 156 Video)

Profile of Victory Project 156 engine, courtesy of Roland Sands Instagram

Profile of Victory Project 156 engine, courtesy of Roland Sands Instagram

As we reported earlier, Victory has two race bikes under development, including an electric bike for the Isle of Man, and the Project 156 bike that is gas powered and will be piloted by CycleWorld’s Don Canet at Pikes Peak. MD just found the above photo of the Project 156 v-twin engine on the Instagram of Roland Sands, the lead designer for the motorcycle. Shortly thereafter, Roland Sands Designs alerted us to the new video embedded at the bottom of this article, which has additional information and images regarding the engine.

Some of our readers speculated that this is a re-purposed Indian Scout engine. Below is a photo of the Indian Scout engine from the same side (the right side). Clearly, new machinings and castings are visible on the exterior of the Project 156 engine. Tell us what you think.

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Indian Scout production engine profile

71 Comments

  1. The video does show some great tuning on this motor !Very high compression piston with flat valve angles.Short cylinders & a camshaft with good lift and fairly conservative duration would work very well on a course that has 156 turns in 12.42 miles.AS a 10x motorcycle champion on Pikes Peak and motor builder would like to try my hand at that 150plus H.P.motorbike !Guessin it’s going to handle & slow down real well also.

  2. takehikes says:

    I’d think decent HP with lots of torque would work great at Pike’s. I’ve been up that road and you need something that will PULL. Not to mention many corners are very tight and slow….this ain’t GP racing at all. Might be a very good attempt. either way…good for you Victory/Indian.

    • Jeremy in TX says:

      Torque never won any races that I know of, though the road up the peak probably does put a finite number on the amount of horsepower that can effectively be used. Jeremy Toye won current honors on a ZX-10R, and Ducati Multistradas were the dominant mounts for several years prior to that. So “decent” horsepower is going to be a pretty high number.

    • todd says:

      Yes, you need power to pull. More power equals more pull.

  3. Provologna says:

    This is one of the more interesting and remarkable projects I have read about at this site or anywhere else. Good on Victory!

    May they win the race in style!

  4. mickey says:

    I hereby name this motor” Twin-C3PO’s “

  5. Bob Loblaw says:

    At 1:32 in the video, why are they welding AFTER the engine is installed?
    =
    It’s not an Indian. It’s a Native American.

  6. Norm G. says:

    RE: “Tell us what you think.”

    A: I think I’m in heaven.

  7. fred says:

    120HP? Ducati is running scared.

    • DaveA says:

      What’s the big rush to judgement? Jeez. Were you thinking it would be a reasonable expectation that the first performance slanted Indian/Victory would just put everything else on the trailer? Give ’em a minute.

    • fast2win says:

      Where did you come up with 120 hp?

  8. HS1-RD-CX100-VFR says:

    It’s about fifteen developmental years behind the 1991 Britten v1000.

  9. MGNorge says:

    Based on the Scout’s displacement of (almost) 1,200cc and practical rpm limits I’m betting no more than 150 hp from this design…not that that’s anything to sneeze at. Could be a bit more but then its state of tune would make it even harder to dial fueling in because of elevation change.

  10. Bob says:

    Will there be a victory in the future for Victory?

  11. Auphliam says:

    Repurposed Scout vs all new? Honestly, I’m just happy as hell that they’re doing it. I don’t care if they repurposed an old watercraft engine they found behind some crates in their warehouse.

    Polaris knows what its like to go fast…offroad. I’d like to think the motorcycle divisions got a taste of that with the new Scout…and as has happened to nearly all of us at some point, they want more.

    Fast is Good 🙂

  12. RMR says:

    Looking at various pictures from around the ‘net, it appears to be a Scout block, and the single piece machined side cover is possibly a ‘blown-proof’ design to handle all the increased power/torque from the upgrades. Too, the heads seem slightly different, again possibly/likely due to HP/timing/compression changes.
    One has to wonder if Victory/Polaris/Indian aren’t about to start using he the Scout engine configuration for ‘cross-brand’ models. Victory is definitely in for a style/purpose revamp, and it looks likes the direction they’re heading for is out of the bag.

  13. EZMark says:

    Careful Polaris. Racing has bankrupted a lot of motorcycle companies.

    • DaveA says:

      Polaris did just under $4.5 billion in sales last year, so I think building a Pikes Peak bike is probably doable.

    • xLaYN says:

      I was asking a guy from a repair shop what he thought about the several brands given that he sees so many motorcycles, and when we were talking about Kawi he told me that the smartest move they could have do was pulling out of GP, that allowed them to stop bleeding money and focus on the business.
      I’m not sure how much of that if truth but if it is; is on line with your comment.

      • DaveA says:

        There is a _very_ wide gulf between building a Pike’s Peak racer that’s using a motor you’re already developing for production anyway and fielding a 2 rider MotoGP team. They’ve got individual milling machines in that factory that cost orders of magnitude more money they’re spending to do this.

      • EZMark says:

        That’s what I was referring to. I wouldn’t think a little jaunt like this will put Polaris in the poor house, but if they start eyeballing WSB or MotoGP, I’d be nervous as a stockholder. It bankrupted Aprilia.

  14. Mark Pearson says:

    Anyone know if any network is televising the race? I’d like to cheer these guys on.

    • Al T says:

      Most Americans pay no attention to this. The europeans think it’s the greatest. Look for coverage later from across the pond.

    • Jeremy in TX says:

      Is PPIHC still a Redbull sponsored event? If so, they might stream it on Redbull.tv.

    • halfbaked says:

      They have this new thing all the kids are using it’s called the internet and it has all the information about the race.

  15. Trpldog says:

    Come on boys!! A Good Ole ‘Merican big displacement, monster torque, ground-shaking, twisty road straightening, tube-framed fire-breathing, RC8 eating… Hoo-Doggie, I’m gittin the shivers!

  16. Shaunock says:

    I spy a secondary radiator AND an oil cooler. With all that extra cooling it looks like this thing might be putting down some serious neddies.
    In race spec I’m hoping that 200hp isn’t be out of the question.

  17. Andy1300 says:

    Sweet, and getting it done right here in Minnesota…

  18. Hot Dog says:

    Dirck, You need to follow this story and give us a full report. I want to know the different classes, winners and riders point of view. I want it double spaced and on my desk immediately after the race. You picking up what I’m laying down?

    • Dirck Edge says:

      Not exactly.

      • GKS says:

        I believe what he is asking for is: please give us a race report, don’t just recycle Victory’s or Ducati’s press release.

    • xLaYN says:

      I would say 2 months with all comments on “Waiting for review” without explanation, you’ll have to switch to your alter-ego’s account Cold Dog

      • Hot Dog says:

        Yup, you’re right, the Fun Nun will temper me to a nothing little responder. Ignorance is bliss.

  19. chris says:

    Way to go Victory, to bad the other American company can not do any thing other than their low performance out dated stuff they have been playing over and over with .

    • Stuki Moi says:

      Blame American voters, for being stupid enough to be suckereed into accepting speed enforcement, that makes anything better handling than low compression, aircooled 1950s hardtails and jacked up, body on frame solid axle pickups, entirely superfluous on American roads.

      • Tom R says:

        Have you never left Nebraska?

        • Stuki Moi says:

          Left it, entered it, crossed it…. Along with most every other state in the country. Been ticketed in most of them as well. The latter’s only getting worse. I really challenge anyone to come up with many meaningful, from a transportation perspective, start and end points that are substantially quicker connected with a well handling vehicle than one of the above mentioned anachronisms. Assuming a reasonable cap on ticketing/confiscation/jail risk.

          Used to be I could make L.A. – San Francisco faster “down the middle” (58 etc.) than via freeways, given a decent car/bike. Now, every donut grazer in every little town and county along the route have decided to make that too risky. Ditto for LA-Vegas. Even LA-Bozeman is now not really doable off i15 with any real time savings compared to just sitting, on freeway, on cruise in a jacked up truck eating cheeetoz the whole way. Used to be much quicker, until the gambling downturn “forced” Nevada to turn to Highway robbery to pay it’s tax feeders. Ditto for Idaho and lowcarb fads’ negative impact on potato sales, or whatever is their excuse de jour.

          And this is the West. East of Nebraska, fat chance…… Alex Roy spent how many attempts getting past Ohio on his infamous Cannonball run? And it’s not like thing’s have exactly improved since then.

          Doesn’t mean you can’t find yourself some gocart track to go round and round where a Showelhead may be at some disadvantage compared to more modern designs, but motorbikes (and cars) are first and foremost transportation devices. That’s how most people use them. And that’s why Germans in general give more of a toot about dynamic performance of their cars, than those of us stuck in “The Land of the Free to sue, free to vote, and free to do nothing else whatsoever.”

          If driving an Escalade means you are stuck 50% longer on the way to grandma’s than driving a Panamera, and ditto for LA-Vegas on a Harley vs a Hayabusa, people respond to that in the purchasing choices. But if instead, you happen to live in some police state that clips each and every advantage better performing vehicles has over those less so, that gets reflected in buying patterns as well. When the Escalade is, for all practical purposes, just as fast as the Pan, and the HD as the Hayabusa. So why even bother?

          Americans don’t just mindlessly buy dynamically underperforming vehicles because they all happen to be “stooopind” and “unsophistimecated” compared to Euros. They do so, because vehicles dynamically superior, don’t have similar advantages here. Quit dragging the ‘Busa down to some Hardtail’s level by legal means, and suddenly the ‘Busa becomes an all that more attractive proposition. Very rational, indeed.

      • Jeremy in TX says:

        “Blame American voters, for being stupid enough to be suckereed into accepting speed enforcement”

        89% of Americans do not accept it. We just risk the citation.

      • w says:

        “Blame American voters, for being stupid enough to be suckereed into accepting speed enforcement,…”

        What an incredibly dumb comment.

      • Norm G. says:

        re: “jacked up, body on frame solid axle pickups”

        FISTPUMP…!!!

  20. Blackcayman says:

    My guess is its a 1200-1300cc – 200 HP Moonshot

    An Open Class, Wide Open, Hooligan Special aimed at the KTM 1290 Super Duke R and the Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 RR

  21. Daimyo says:

    As the duly elected representative of generation Y, I say give me a big ‘merican V-twin powered sport bike and screw the touring mount – let the baby boomers bugger off on their VFR’s and Versys.

    Seriously though *lust* if Victory is actually putting a performance naked into production. I had read that the engine in the scout seemed like it was capable of far more performance they managed to squeeze out for that model so it’s natural that this new engine is not a ground up redesign. I had read that the engine in the scout seemed like it was capable of far more performance they managed to squeeze out for that model so it’s natural that this new engine is not a ground up design but if someone else is already mentioned

    • Butch says:

      If you are representative of Gen Y then they (you) are truly clueless.
      At 65 and some 30 bikes later, I would embrace an American light cruiser/standard/ sportbike.
      Ever ridden a VFR ?
      My guess is no.

    • Colors says:

      I didn’t vote for you

      • DaveA says:

        You don’t vote for representatives of Generation Y…

      • Daimyo says:

        That was a joke people! I thought it was obvious ‘as the duly elected…’ but i guess not!

        Jeez tough crowd tonight

  22. Jeremy in TX says:

    Hmmm. V-angle looks to be the same. Distance and angle of clutch center to water pump center looks to be the same as well. Dipstick in the exact same spot.

    My vote is that it is a Scout derivative getting the “light is right” treatment , thus the custom castings and mill work.

  23. mechanicuss says:

    That engine would make a great light touring mount. We aging bady boomers need a lighter tourer – our leg strength is waning! Please, Polaris, just put a smooth batwing-ish faring, a posh seat, and conservative panniers on it – y’all have tried shock therapy, why not try classy smooth styling for a change?